Questions About Thomas and the 1911 Scotland Census

The information on my great great-uncle, Thomas Hall, is much clearer in the 1911 Scotland Census. By this time,, my great grand-mother Jane Isabella Hall had married John Gray in Perth, Perthshire, Scotland. Jane and John had five children, Lydia, Ada, Violet, Madge, and Ruth and were living at 59 Union Street in Bonhill, Dumbartonshire, Scotland. They lived near Loch Lomond in an area called Vale of Leven (Valley of the Leven River). The household also included four borders, including Jane’s brother Thomas. Thomas was 45 years old, Single, and employed as an orderly room clerk in a military barracks. He was born in India, and his nationality was listed as EuroIndian.

I had a few immediate questions when I read this census. Why was Thomas listed as an orderly clerk and not as a telegraph clerk as he had been in earlier records? Why was he living with his sister when he worked at a military barracks? Was he in the military or was he a civilian employee? At which military barracks did he work? Unfortunately, I discovered very early in my research that Thomas’s military service record, along with those of most other British soldiers in World War I, had been destroyed by German bombing in World War II. The questions the 1911 census raised in my mind were not yet to be answered. I couldn’t find any military barracks in Bonhill. There were some in Glasgow, but I could not find any evidence that Thomas worked in these.

More research revealed that Thomas had a long military career with the Highland Light Infantry. This information comes from his obituary which my cousin Jane sent to me. Luckily for all of us, the obituary also included a picture of Thomas in his uniform.

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August 26, 2012 at 10:55 am Leave a comment

My Great Grand-uncle Thomas Hall

My next goal with this blog is to research and document the lives of the children of William and Lydia Hall and of William and Mary Cumming Hall. I am going to start with William and Lydia’s first child, Thomas, who was born in Bangalore, India, on March 24, 1866. Thomas was to be the brother of Jane Isabella Hall Gray, my great grand-mother.

After returning to Perth from India, Thomas (14 years old)  is listed in the 1881 Scotland Census, with his parents, his siblings who were also born in India, James and Jane, and his two sisters who were born in Perth, Louisa and Lydia. The family was living at 39 Cross Street in Perth, Perthshire, Scotland. Thomas was a scholar, as were James and Jane.

In the 1891 Scotland Census, Thomas was 24 years old and living with his father William, his step-mother Mary Cumming, his siblings James and Jane who had been born in India, his sisters Louisa and Lydia who had been born in Perth, and his step-sisters Isabella and Elizabeth who had also been born in Perth. Thomas was unmarried and was a railroad telegraph clerk. He is listed as born in India and also as a British subject.

Thomas is not found in the 1901 Census. He is found in the 1911 Census living with his sister Jane and her husband John Gray, but more about that later. The Google map below shows Cross Street in Perth where Thomas lived with his family in 1881. The red teardrop with an A on it marks the Hall house. Before enlarging, look on the right hand side to see the Tay River which runs through Perth. Click on the plus sign to the left until you see the name Cross Street. You should also be able to Promarium Street, which is where the Halls lived after Thomas joined the army.

August 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm Leave a comment

A Large Household

Family - Like branches on a tree

The next record I found for the Hall family was the 1891 Scotland Census. By this time, William and Mary had had two daughters of their own (Isabella and Elizabeth) and all of William’s older children were still living at home. The family resided at 13 Union Lane, in Perth, Perthshire, in a house with six rooms with windows. This was in the Civil Parish of East Church and the parish of St.  Andrews.

  • William Hall, head, married, 52 years old, occupation of porter, and born in Perth, Perthshire
  • Mary Hall, wife, married, 44 years old, and born in Blair Atholl, Perthshire.
  • Thomas Hall, son, unmarried, 25 years old, railway telegraph clerk, born in India, and British subject
  • James Hall, son, unmarried, 22 years old, printer warehouseman, born in India, and British subject
  • Jane Hall, daughter, unmarried, 19 years old, dyer/finisher, born in India, and British subject
  • Louisa Hall, daughter, unmarried, 13 years old, linen weaver, and born in Perth
  • Lydia Hall, daughter, unmarried 11 years old, scholar, and born in Perth
  • Isabella Hall, daughter, unmarried, 3 years old, and born in Perth
  • Elizabeth Hall, daughter, unmarried, 1-year-old, and born in Perth.

That is the last record I have for William, who died in Perth in September 21, 1898, and for Mary, who died a little earlier on February 22, 1898. It had been quite a life for my gg grandfather, from being a laborer in Perth, to being a private in the British Army in colonial India, to being a porter back in Perth. I am glad I was able to find out so much about him and about Lydia Selina Ramsbottom.

August 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm Leave a comment

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